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		By: Tiamat		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13845</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tiamat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I want free phone calls. Google, make it happen!]]></description>
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		By: Charles Boening		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Boening]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Worked when I tried again so must have been a Google hiccup.  Dang them and their free services!  ;)

Thanks again,
Charlie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worked when I tried again so must have been a Google hiccup.  Dang them and their free services!  😉</p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
Charlie</p>
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		By: Charles Boening		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13829</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Boening]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks again for another great article.

I was wondering about the e164.org registration for my GV number.  I followed the directions using the +1 in front of my 10D GV number but e164.org doesn&#039;t like something.

Here is the error:
Wasn&#039;t able to test your route, your system returned the following information: -1&#124;Error 504 - No response was returned from the remote end, this might indicate a problem with a firewall connection

The enumplus.org went great.  No troubles.

Any thoughts?

&lt;i&gt;[WM: Probably the result of Google shutting down the SIP service again. :roll: ]&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for another great article.</p>
<p>I was wondering about the e164.org registration for my GV number.  I followed the directions using the +1 in front of my 10D GV number but e164.org doesn&#8217;t like something.</p>
<p>Here is the error:<br />
Wasn&#8217;t able to test your route, your system returned the following information: -1|Error 504 &#8211; No response was returned from the remote end, this might indicate a problem with a firewall connection</p>
<p>The enumplus.org went great.  No troubles.</p>
<p>Any thoughts?</p>
<p><i>[WM: Probably the result of Google shutting down the SIP service again. 🙄 ]</i></p>
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		By: Voyagerfan5761		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voyagerfan5761]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So not working now. I saw this article pop up in one of my news sources and thought I would soon be happy...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So not working now. I saw this article pop up in one of my news sources and thought I would soon be happy&#8230;</p>
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		By: ward		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13825</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dead again. Did we mention this probably qualifies as E-X-P-E-R-I-M-E-N-T-A-L??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dead again. Did we mention this probably qualifies as E-X-P-E-R-I-M-E-N-T-A-L??</p>
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		By: ward		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13824</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s baaaaaaaaack!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s baaaaaaaaack!</p>
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		By: xm202afro		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13796</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xm202afro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ward, Kind of curious, e164.org states you have to use an ISP email address.  That kind of shots the gmail email address in the foot.  Has anyone 
tried the gmail email address when registering? 

Just curious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ward, Kind of curious, e164.org states you have to use an ISP email address.  That kind of shots the gmail email address in the foot.  Has anyone<br />
tried the gmail email address when registering? </p>
<p>Just curious.</p>
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		By: ward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe we&#039;ll get an answer here...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://nerd.bz/gKij6r&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Does Google Hate SIP?&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we&#8217;ll get an answer here&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://nerd.bz/gKij6r" rel="nofollow">Why Does Google Hate SIP?</a></p>
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		By: ward		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13786</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those that are curious, here is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://pastebin.com/BMFzSWXH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;response from Google&#039;s SIP server&lt;/a&gt; yesterday. According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/saghul&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@saghul&lt;/a&gt;, Google was using &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&amp;prev=_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;layout=2&amp;eotf=1&amp;sl=es&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fsaghul.net%2Fblog%2F2011%2F03%2F08%2Fgoogle-utiliza-opensips-y-yate-en-google-voice%2F&amp;act=url&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OpenSIPS in front of Yate&lt;/a&gt;, probably as a load balancer.&quot; However, &quot;GV servers don&#039;t reply to any SIP request anymore. Yesterday they replied to INVITE, OPTIONS and MESSAGE, at least.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those that are curious, here is the <a href="http://pastebin.com/BMFzSWXH" rel="nofollow">response from Google&#8217;s SIP server</a> yesterday. According to <a href="http://twitter.com/saghul" rel="nofollow">@saghul</a>, Google was using "<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&#038;prev=_t&#038;hl=en&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;layout=2&#038;eotf=1&#038;sl=es&#038;tl=en&#038;u=http%3A%2F%2Fsaghul.net%2Fblog%2F2011%2F03%2F08%2Fgoogle-utiliza-opensips-y-yate-en-google-voice%2F&#038;act=url" rel="nofollow">OpenSIPS in front of Yate</a>, probably as a load balancer." However, "GV servers don&#8217;t reply to any SIP request anymore. Yesterday they replied to INVITE, OPTIONS and MESSAGE, at least."</p>
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		By: Trousle Undrhil		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13785</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trousle Undrhil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See.  This is why I wait a few days before implementing anything involving Google.  Their &quot;test labs&quot; are always going up and down.  If something stays working for a few weeks, then I look into it.

&lt;i&gt;[WM: True, but without the Pioneers, where would we all be?]&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.ssqq.com/stories/images/pioneer.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See.  This is why I wait a few days before implementing anything involving Google.  Their "test labs" are always going up and down.  If something stays working for a few weeks, then I look into it.</p>
<p><i>[WM: True, but without the Pioneers, where would we all be?]</i></p>
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		By: Jason Goecke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jason Goecke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 02:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I had it working this morning from Blink and Tropo flawlessly, now it simply does not work no matter what I try.

Has Google shut this down already?

&lt;i&gt;[WM: Yep. It&#039;s dead for us, too, but still works for a precious few. That was fun.]&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I had it working this morning from Blink and Tropo flawlessly, now it simply does not work no matter what I try.</p>
<p>Has Google shut this down already?</p>
<p><i>[WM: Yep. It&#8217;s dead for us, too, but still works for a precious few. That was fun.]</i></p>
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		By: MichiganTelephone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MichiganTelephone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 23:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I tried this on two different systems that are running FreePBX and Asterisk.  On one, an Asterisk 1.4/FreePBX 2.7 system, it seemed to work fine earlier today, but now it seems that there is about a 30 second delay before ANY response is returned.  That means that if I call a Google Voice number, it takes 30 seconds for it to start ringing, and if it&#039;s a non-GV number, it takes 30 seconds to return a response so FreePBX will fall through to another trunk.  This just started this evening; earlier today it worked flawlessly.

On the other hand, on an Asterik 1.8/FreePBX 2.8 based system, if the call was not to a GV number it would not fall through to another trunk.  The weird part was that I watched the CLI and it SAID it was falling through to another trunk, it just wouldn&#039;t actually DO it.  Calls to Google Voice going out the normal way (using the Asterisk 1.8 channel drivers) work fine, as do calls using the above method when made to a Google Voice number, but when I tried calling a non-GV number it just wouldn&#039;t fall through to the next trunk (and I even tried adding the useless 1NXXNXXXXXX pattern, though I know it has no effect — I guess we&#039;ll just have to agree to disagree on that one, Ward).

Anyway, I&#039;d be a little careful about doing this on any production system.  I wasn&#039;t going to say anything about the problem on the second system but when the 30 second delay appeared out of nowhere (and disappeared after I disabled the custom trunk), I figured maybe I should let you guys know, so you can at least make sure it&#039;s not happening on your systems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I tried this on two different systems that are running FreePBX and Asterisk.  On one, an Asterisk 1.4/FreePBX 2.7 system, it seemed to work fine earlier today, but now it seems that there is about a 30 second delay before ANY response is returned.  That means that if I call a Google Voice number, it takes 30 seconds for it to start ringing, and if it&#8217;s a non-GV number, it takes 30 seconds to return a response so FreePBX will fall through to another trunk.  This just started this evening; earlier today it worked flawlessly.</p>
<p>On the other hand, on an Asterik 1.8/FreePBX 2.8 based system, if the call was not to a GV number it would not fall through to another trunk.  The weird part was that I watched the CLI and it SAID it was falling through to another trunk, it just wouldn&#8217;t actually DO it.  Calls to Google Voice going out the normal way (using the Asterisk 1.8 channel drivers) work fine, as do calls using the above method when made to a Google Voice number, but when I tried calling a non-GV number it just wouldn&#8217;t fall through to the next trunk (and I even tried adding the useless 1NXXNXXXXXX pattern, though I know it has no effect — I guess we&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree on that one, Ward).</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;d be a little careful about doing this on any production system.  I wasn&#8217;t going to say anything about the problem on the second system but when the 30 second delay appeared out of nowhere (and disappeared after I disabled the custom trunk), I figured maybe I should let you guys know, so you can at least make sure it&#8217;s not happening on your systems.</p>
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		By: IsaacL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IsaacL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info.
So is there anything else I have to do to my system to receive incoming calls to my Google Voice number over SIP? Or is that in there automatically on Google&#039;s end?

&lt;i&gt;[WM: It&#039;s automagic on Google&#039;s end.]&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info.<br />
So is there anything else I have to do to my system to receive incoming calls to my Google Voice number over SIP? Or is that in there automatically on Google&#8217;s end?</p>
<p><i>[WM: It&#8217;s automagic on Google&#8217;s end.]</i></p>
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		By: MIke White		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/google-dips-its-toes-into-the-sip-waters/comment-page-1/#comment-13776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MIke White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 20:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the post Ward...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post Ward&#8230;</p>
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		By: MichiganTelephone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MichiganTelephone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 1NXXNXXXXXX rule is unnecessary - it&#039;s not adding a digit, stripping a digit, or being used as a &quot;stopper&quot; so that a subsequent rule is ignored, therefore it&#039;s extraneous Remember that trunk rules are only used for changing the called number in some way, and serve a quite different purpose from outbound route rules, even though you can now add or strip digits in both places.

&lt;i&gt;[WM: This depends upon how your Outbound Routes and other Trunks are set up. Calls start at the Outbound Route with a matching Dial String and then proceed down through the designated Trunks in sequence. To have a match on a Trunk, you have to have a Dial String entry for the Trunk that matches what was passed from the Outbound Route. Keep in mind that our articles are written to accommodate system designs of thousands of different Asterisk users. So what you or I would do is secondary to assuring that something &quot;just works&quot; for everybody. Without getting too deep in the weeds, it&#039;s worth noting that it is not uncommon to see an Outbound Route with only two dial string entries: 1NXXNXXXXXX and NXXNXXXXXX. With such a setup, the 1 &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; need to be added as a prepend in the Google-SIP Trunk, or calls dialed as 10-digit numbers would always fail when the call hit the Google-SIP trunk without the 1+NXXNXXXXXX entry. And, for anyone that dials an 11-digit number, the 1NXXNXXXXXX entry catches that type of call. You are correct that the rule is redundant with FreePBX 2.8; however, not everyone is quite there yet. There is no single &quot;right way&quot; which, of course, is one of the beauties of Asterisk and FreePBX. Our design was intended to eliminate as many &quot;wrong ways&quot; as possible.]&lt;/i&gt; ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1NXXNXXXXXX rule is unnecessary &#8211; it&#8217;s not adding a digit, stripping a digit, or being used as a "stopper" so that a subsequent rule is ignored, therefore it&#8217;s extraneous Remember that trunk rules are only used for changing the called number in some way, and serve a quite different purpose from outbound route rules, even though you can now add or strip digits in both places.</p>
<p><i>[WM: This depends upon how your Outbound Routes and other Trunks are set up. Calls start at the Outbound Route with a matching Dial String and then proceed down through the designated Trunks in sequence. To have a match on a Trunk, you have to have a Dial String entry for the Trunk that matches what was passed from the Outbound Route. Keep in mind that our articles are written to accommodate system designs of thousands of different Asterisk users. So what you or I would do is secondary to assuring that something "just works" for everybody. Without getting too deep in the weeds, it&#8217;s worth noting that it is not uncommon to see an Outbound Route with only two dial string entries: 1NXXNXXXXXX and NXXNXXXXXX. With such a setup, the 1 <em>does</em> need to be added as a prepend in the Google-SIP Trunk, or calls dialed as 10-digit numbers would always fail when the call hit the Google-SIP trunk without the 1+NXXNXXXXXX entry. And, for anyone that dials an 11-digit number, the 1NXXNXXXXXX entry catches that type of call. You are correct that the rule is redundant with FreePBX 2.8; however, not everyone is quite there yet. There is no single "right way" which, of course, is one of the beauties of Asterisk and FreePBX. Our design was intended to eliminate as many "wrong ways" as possible.]</i> </p>
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		By: Ethan Case		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ethan Case]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay now I&#039;m confused... Wasn&#039;t Google already offering free calls to US &amp; CAN numbers for 2011?  So this new change of procedures, is it a benefit directed at international callers?  For US &#038; CAN callers, is this change significant?
Thanks!

&lt;i&gt;[WM: Google Voice calling via Gtalk still works as advertised. The SIP addition simply provides another (free) way to make calls to Google Voice numbers. And it works worldwide. Finally, if Google does ever start charging for calls, this will provide a way to continue to reach Google Voice numbers at no cost. ]&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay now I&#8217;m confused&#8230; Wasn&#8217;t Google already offering free calls to US &#038; CAN numbers for 2011?  So this new change of procedures, is it a benefit directed at international callers?  For US &amp; CAN callers, is this change significant?<br />
Thanks!</p>
<p><i>[WM: Google Voice calling via Gtalk still works as advertised. The SIP addition simply provides another (free) way to make calls to Google Voice numbers. And it works worldwide. Finally, if Google does ever start charging for calls, this will provide a way to continue to reach Google Voice numbers at no cost. ]</i></p>
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		By: IsaacL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IsaacL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So this change is only for incoming calls on Google Voice, right?
As in, it&#039;s not a new way of dialing out from GV, only a new way to reach a GV number?
Thanks.

&lt;i&gt;[WM: It&#039;s a little of both. SIP support adds a new way to receive incoming calls to your Google Voice numbers. And, for those using SIP phones or SIP-based PBXs such as Asterisk or FreeSwitch, it provides a new way to place outbound calls to Google Voice numbers at no cost.]&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this change is only for incoming calls on Google Voice, right?<br />
As in, it&#8217;s not a new way of dialing out from GV, only a new way to reach a GV number?<br />
Thanks.</p>
<p><i>[WM: It&#8217;s a little of both. SIP support adds a new way to receive incoming calls to your Google Voice numbers. And, for those using SIP phones or SIP-based PBXs such as Asterisk or FreeSwitch, it provides a new way to place outbound calls to Google Voice numbers at no cost.]</i></p>
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		By: Kanti Purohit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kanti Purohit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is good news! Does this mean Google looses termination revenues for all its DIDs?

Also, SIPifying in one direction SIP=&#062;GV; but not in the other - GV=&#062;SIP.

I have heard rumors that GV will support SIP for callback on Android 3.0(?).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good news! Does this mean Google looses termination revenues for all its DIDs?</p>
<p>Also, SIPifying in one direction SIP=&gt;GV; but not in the other &#8211; GV=&gt;SIP.</p>
<p>I have heard rumors that GV will support SIP for callback on Android 3.0(?).</p>
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