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		By: Bob Koure		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Koure]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2014 22:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;&#062;It’s almost impossible to make a useful backup of a Windows machine

As of Win7, the trick is to image your boot drive. Control panel / backup and restore / create a system image.
You&#039;ll need an external drive a bit larger than the part of your boot drive you&#039;re actually using.
When done select &quot;create a system boot disk&quot;, which can either burn a boot CD/DVD for you or (I think) setup a USB drive.

If/when your boot drive fails it&#039;s actually pretty easy to get back to where you were.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;It’s almost impossible to make a useful backup of a Windows machine</p>
<p>As of Win7, the trick is to image your boot drive. Control panel / backup and restore / create a system image.<br />
You&#8217;ll need an external drive a bit larger than the part of your boot drive you&#8217;re actually using.<br />
When done select "create a system boot disk", which can either burn a boot CD/DVD for you or (I think) setup a USB drive.</p>
<p>If/when your boot drive fails it&#8217;s actually pretty easy to get back to where you were.</p>
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		By: Trousle Undrhil		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/the-end-of-an-era-farewell-to-dell-and-microsoft-and-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-145524</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2014 22:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geek4d - Honestly, most small businesses and home users don&#039;t care about the terms of the EULA.  Enterprise-level businesses only care because of the fear of getting a lawsuit from Microsoft for using legally purchased software via illegal means (using a license from a computer that has been decomissioned is a no-no as well, unless Microsoft has changed their  stance on this again.)

Small business owners just figure they are too small to have to worry about Microsoft coming after them.  And home users don&#039;t bother with reading the EULA anyway.

I do believe that with the price point of Windows 8 being as low as it is, there should be no excuse for anyone pirating Windows 8, unless they are just trying to &quot;stick it to the man.&quot;  It is not as pricey as previous versions of Windows were and I think that&#039;s because Microsoft looked at the numbers, realized that people pirate software because they think it&#039;s too expensive and then they lowered the price to a point that makes it a little easier on the wallet while still making money for Microsoft.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geek4d &#8211; Honestly, most small businesses and home users don&#8217;t care about the terms of the EULA.  Enterprise-level businesses only care because of the fear of getting a lawsuit from Microsoft for using legally purchased software via illegal means (using a license from a computer that has been decomissioned is a no-no as well, unless Microsoft has changed their  stance on this again.)</p>
<p>Small business owners just figure they are too small to have to worry about Microsoft coming after them.  And home users don&#8217;t bother with reading the EULA anyway.</p>
<p>I do believe that with the price point of Windows 8 being as low as it is, there should be no excuse for anyone pirating Windows 8, unless they are just trying to "stick it to the man."  It is not as pricey as previous versions of Windows were and I think that&#8217;s because Microsoft looked at the numbers, realized that people pirate software because they think it&#8217;s too expensive and then they lowered the price to a point that makes it a little easier on the wallet while still making money for Microsoft.</p>
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		By: geek4d		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can strongly relate with your pain in this article Ward... I see this as a combination of many issues with Windows/Microsoft which have slowly pushed me away from them over the years.

To add to this article, and touch on the &quot;any system would have this problem for a restore&quot; comments...

During one of my last dealings with Microsoft, I was purchasing a batch of new computers for the organization and had planned on getting one setup, sysprepping it, and then imaging the drive in order to have all of the others up in minutes.  However in the process, I found out that it is illegal (in violation of license terms) to clone/image a Windows OEM version - so no quick and easy backups for easy restoration!!!  If you want to image Windows machines, you need a Volume license... which are pretty costly, and they certainly don&#039;t give you a discount if you buy 5, 10, or 20 licenses.  The problem is that this is a full Windows Pro volume license, and is expensive, and NOT a Windows OEM license upgrade.  So you don&#039;t need to have already purchased Windows... however you can&#039;t [easily] actually buy most computers WITHOUT Windows - which is completely stupid for enterprise machines where you will have to buy volume liceneses anyway.  It boils down to the fact that they are selling businesses two different Windows licenses per machine... and small businesses or home users content with OEM (Home or Pro) are in breach of terms if they use disk imaging to backup their system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can strongly relate with your pain in this article Ward&#8230; I see this as a combination of many issues with Windows/Microsoft which have slowly pushed me away from them over the years.</p>
<p>To add to this article, and touch on the "any system would have this problem for a restore" comments&#8230;</p>
<p>During one of my last dealings with Microsoft, I was purchasing a batch of new computers for the organization and had planned on getting one setup, sysprepping it, and then imaging the drive in order to have all of the others up in minutes.  However in the process, I found out that it is illegal (in violation of license terms) to clone/image a Windows OEM version &#8211; so no quick and easy backups for easy restoration!!!  If you want to image Windows machines, you need a Volume license&#8230; which are pretty costly, and they certainly don&#8217;t give you a discount if you buy 5, 10, or 20 licenses.  The problem is that this is a full Windows Pro volume license, and is expensive, and NOT a Windows OEM license upgrade.  So you don&#8217;t need to have already purchased Windows&#8230; however you can&#8217;t [easily] actually buy most computers WITHOUT Windows &#8211; which is completely stupid for enterprise machines where you will have to buy volume liceneses anyway.  It boils down to the fact that they are selling businesses two different Windows licenses per machine&#8230; and small businesses or home users content with OEM (Home or Pro) are in breach of terms if they use disk imaging to backup their system.</p>
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		By: jvangent100		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2014 07:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s funny to even try to compare this with Apple. Not only did their wonderful backup/restore procedure with the catchy marketing name completely fail because it couldn&#039;t copy one (1) jpeg file and left me with a system that wouldn&#039;t boot hence needed a complete reinstall anyway, Windows does have tools to backup your complete system to external media and restore it in one go. 

That is pretty much the same imaging system that enterprises use to install computers, the one that can do many computers using multicast, scheduled without any human intervention, bare hooking up the hardware to power and network. 

At least you got to get a technician on site to replace the motherboard and HD. 

With Apple and even with a care pack, I still didn&#039;t get a technician for a 2500 USD Apple pro. I called them, told them the GPU was broken, but some 20 year old obviously believed the customer didn&#039;t know what he was talking about. So there we went, first repair permissions which took a good part of 7 hours. The next day it was on to a reinstall of Leopard and applications, which again took the best part of the working day. Then on the third, the apple representative finally was convinced it wasn&#039;t some software or configuration problem. So I was told to go to the nearest Apple care center (or whatever name they used, could be service center, I forgot). 

Of course I protested and told them to send a technician, or simply a replacement nivdea gpu, because there was no doubt it was indeed the GPU that was broken, but no I needed to take the heavy box into my car, drive an hour to the service center and explained to them what the problem was and what had been done about the problem previously.

Now after another five (5) working days, they called me to tell me the mac had been repaired. So back in the car, and towards the service center, where a technician (and the report I got) indeed told me the GPU had been replaced ! 

The user concerned couldn&#039;t use this expensive machine for 9 ! Working days and had to make due with some laptop, which lacked some of the applications she relied upon to do her daily job. 

This is why you don&#039;t see many Macs in enterprises. 


Regarding copy protection, that shouldn&#039;t be any issue, especially since product keys are inserted into the bios nowadays, so activation should be fully automatic.

&lt;i&gt;[WM: There are lots of reasons you don&#039;t find Macs in a lot of companies. It mostly has to do with a critical software component that is only available for Windows. Windows support at the enterprise level also is completely different than what end users can expect. Copy protection also goes away. I fully appreciate that Microsoft has excellent tools available for these organizations. My staff used them for years. As for the Mac environment, Apple&#039;s backup mechanism is just as lousy as Microsoft&#039;s. Use Carbon Copy Cloner which makes the recovery process described in the article a no-brainer for anyone regardless of skill level and regardless of the number of systems being maintained. All you need is a $100 USB drive.]&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny to even try to compare this with Apple. Not only did their wonderful backup/restore procedure with the catchy marketing name completely fail because it couldn&#8217;t copy one (1) jpeg file and left me with a system that wouldn&#8217;t boot hence needed a complete reinstall anyway, Windows does have tools to backup your complete system to external media and restore it in one go. </p>
<p>That is pretty much the same imaging system that enterprises use to install computers, the one that can do many computers using multicast, scheduled without any human intervention, bare hooking up the hardware to power and network. </p>
<p>At least you got to get a technician on site to replace the motherboard and HD. </p>
<p>With Apple and even with a care pack, I still didn&#8217;t get a technician for a 2500 USD Apple pro. I called them, told them the GPU was broken, but some 20 year old obviously believed the customer didn&#8217;t know what he was talking about. So there we went, first repair permissions which took a good part of 7 hours. The next day it was on to a reinstall of Leopard and applications, which again took the best part of the working day. Then on the third, the apple representative finally was convinced it wasn&#8217;t some software or configuration problem. So I was told to go to the nearest Apple care center (or whatever name they used, could be service center, I forgot). </p>
<p>Of course I protested and told them to send a technician, or simply a replacement nivdea gpu, because there was no doubt it was indeed the GPU that was broken, but no I needed to take the heavy box into my car, drive an hour to the service center and explained to them what the problem was and what had been done about the problem previously.</p>
<p>Now after another five (5) working days, they called me to tell me the mac had been repaired. So back in the car, and towards the service center, where a technician (and the report I got) indeed told me the GPU had been replaced ! </p>
<p>The user concerned couldn&#8217;t use this expensive machine for 9 ! Working days and had to make due with some laptop, which lacked some of the applications she relied upon to do her daily job. </p>
<p>This is why you don&#8217;t see many Macs in enterprises. </p>
<p>Regarding copy protection, that shouldn&#8217;t be any issue, especially since product keys are inserted into the bios nowadays, so activation should be fully automatic.</p>
<p><i>[WM: There are lots of reasons you don&#8217;t find Macs in a lot of companies. It mostly has to do with a critical software component that is only available for Windows. Windows support at the enterprise level also is completely different than what end users can expect. Copy protection also goes away. I fully appreciate that Microsoft has excellent tools available for these organizations. My staff used them for years. As for the Mac environment, Apple&#8217;s backup mechanism is just as lousy as Microsoft&#8217;s. Use Carbon Copy Cloner which makes the recovery process described in the article a no-brainer for anyone regardless of skill level and regardless of the number of systems being maintained. All you need is a $100 USB drive.]</i></p>
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		By: Trousle Undrhil		</title>
		<link>https://nerdvittles.com/the-end-of-an-era-farewell-to-dell-and-microsoft-and-windows/comment-page-1/#comment-98649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trousle Undrhil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also,

http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-create-a-system-image-in-windows-8/

&lt;i&gt;[WM: And have you tested it with reliable results? Not saying it doesn&#039;t work but if a system can&#039;t find drivers on its Windows boot DVD, I&#039;d be surprised if you had any better luck with a backup image that also had to rely on Windows to boot successfully. And, again, there is the copy protection problem once you swap out a motherboard. But to each his own.

Most folks always believe their solutions are the greatest until they fail. The true test is what happens next. :-) ]&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-create-a-system-image-in-windows-8/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-create-a-system-image-in-windows-8/</a></p>
<p><i>[WM: And have you tested it with reliable results? Not saying it doesn&#8217;t work but if a system can&#8217;t find drivers on its Windows boot DVD, I&#8217;d be surprised if you had any better luck with a backup image that also had to rely on Windows to boot successfully. And, again, there is the copy protection problem once you swap out a motherboard. But to each his own.</p>
<p>Most folks always believe their solutions are the greatest until they fail. The true test is what happens next. 🙂 ]</i></p>
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		By: Trousle Undrhil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trousle Undrhil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It sounds like you had an issue with the &quot;hardware&quot; in this Dell system and not the &quot;software&quot; of Windows 8.  Copy-protection or no, if the hardware had not failed, then this article wouldn&#039;t exist.  Please stop trying to wring out another &quot;Microsoft is evil&quot; article when this should be aimed at hardware manufacturing and testing practices.

I use Microsoft products willingly and ably.  All of the issues people complain about, I&#039;ve never experienced.  I have used many PCs.  I have customers who are using many PCs.  I know that this doesn&#039;t mean there aren&#039;t issues, but if people are having hardware problems and they blame those problems on Microsoft, that&#039;s just not right.

How would you feel in this scenario: someone builds a PIAF machine and gets it up and running and everything is working fine, but a week (or a year) later, their hard drive crashes.  They start cursing PIAF and Linux because the motherboard had a problem.  Sound familiar?  It&#039;s what you are doing in this article, except instead of running Linux, you&#039;re running Windows.

&lt;i&gt;[WM: As noted in the article, all of the diagnostics indicated that there was no hardware failure. And Dell has very sophisticated diagnostic tools built into the BIOS of their high end machines. Out of an abundance of caution, Dell replaced both the drive and the motherboard anyway. Who could complain? 

With a system that&#039;s less than a year old and more than a week old, hardware failures are extremely rare during my 30+ years using PCs. Doesn&#039;t mean there wasn&#039;t a hardware failure, but it&#039;s unlikely. We&#039;ve also seen similar failures on other Windows 8 systems that worked fine after a complete reinstall of Windows. 

The point of the article was not to bash Microsoft. The point was to document how complex it is to recover from a catastrophic failure on a Windows machine. If an expert spends two hours to diagnose a problem with Windows, there&#039;s a bigger problem IMHO. As with your experience, we&#039;ve had dozens of Windows machines that have never failed, but that&#039;s really quite beside the point.]&lt;/i&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you had an issue with the "hardware" in this Dell system and not the "software" of Windows 8.  Copy-protection or no, if the hardware had not failed, then this article wouldn&#8217;t exist.  Please stop trying to wring out another "Microsoft is evil" article when this should be aimed at hardware manufacturing and testing practices.</p>
<p>I use Microsoft products willingly and ably.  All of the issues people complain about, I&#8217;ve never experienced.  I have used many PCs.  I have customers who are using many PCs.  I know that this doesn&#8217;t mean there aren&#8217;t issues, but if people are having hardware problems and they blame those problems on Microsoft, that&#8217;s just not right.</p>
<p>How would you feel in this scenario: someone builds a PIAF machine and gets it up and running and everything is working fine, but a week (or a year) later, their hard drive crashes.  They start cursing PIAF and Linux because the motherboard had a problem.  Sound familiar?  It&#8217;s what you are doing in this article, except instead of running Linux, you&#8217;re running Windows.</p>
<p><i>[WM: As noted in the article, all of the diagnostics indicated that there was no hardware failure. And Dell has very sophisticated diagnostic tools built into the BIOS of their high end machines. Out of an abundance of caution, Dell replaced both the drive and the motherboard anyway. Who could complain? </p>
<p>With a system that&#8217;s less than a year old and more than a week old, hardware failures are extremely rare during my 30+ years using PCs. Doesn&#8217;t mean there wasn&#8217;t a hardware failure, but it&#8217;s unlikely. We&#8217;ve also seen similar failures on other Windows 8 systems that worked fine after a complete reinstall of Windows. </p>
<p>The point of the article was not to bash Microsoft. The point was to document how complex it is to recover from a catastrophic failure on a Windows machine. If an expert spends two hours to diagnose a problem with Windows, there&#8217;s a bigger problem IMHO. As with your experience, we&#8217;ve had dozens of Windows machines that have never failed, but that&#8217;s really quite beside the point.]</i></p>
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		By: Aveesh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[W8 is just downright unusable - even 8.1. so i only use XP and W7. But it terms of backup and restore, I use Clonezilla and use it to clone my XP and W7 partitions - for my 3 family laptops and 2 desktops. I have had to restore about 5 times - and each time, restore vs bare metal OS has been a huge timesaver. All data is backed up in at least 2 different places - another hard disk and a USB drive with another selective layer such as photos/videos in picasa to DVD&#039;s and my imp stuff to dropbox.

It is the newest laptop - a lenovo ideapaf U410 with secure boot that scares me because I just cant get clonezilla to boot off - disabling secure boot / legacy mode etc just doesnt work and I dont have the time to figure out why...

Thx for all you do]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W8 is just downright unusable &#8211; even 8.1. so i only use XP and W7. But it terms of backup and restore, I use Clonezilla and use it to clone my XP and W7 partitions &#8211; for my 3 family laptops and 2 desktops. I have had to restore about 5 times &#8211; and each time, restore vs bare metal OS has been a huge timesaver. All data is backed up in at least 2 different places &#8211; another hard disk and a USB drive with another selective layer such as photos/videos in picasa to DVD&#8217;s and my imp stuff to dropbox.</p>
<p>It is the newest laptop &#8211; a lenovo ideapaf U410 with secure boot that scares me because I just cant get clonezilla to boot off &#8211; disabling secure boot / legacy mode etc just doesnt work and I dont have the time to figure out why&#8230;</p>
<p>Thx for all you do</p>
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		By: Harold		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2014 01:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had a similar experience with Windows 8. I got W8 and all my software installed and everything was fine. Suddenly a message balloon appeared saying a serious disk error had occurred and to reboot. After rebooting W8 said there was something wrong with W8 and it would try to fix it. Eventually W8 came back and said it couldn&#039;t be fixed. So I decided to just forget the whole thing and stick with XP and W7. One lesson I learned was to keep the OS and my data on two different disks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar experience with Windows 8. I got W8 and all my software installed and everything was fine. Suddenly a message balloon appeared saying a serious disk error had occurred and to reboot. After rebooting W8 said there was something wrong with W8 and it would try to fix it. Eventually W8 came back and said it couldn&#8217;t be fixed. So I decided to just forget the whole thing and stick with XP and W7. One lesson I learned was to keep the OS and my data on two different disks.</p>
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		By: Ori		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never really liked Dell products. They look and feel cheap no matter what they do. 
In 2003 My Dell laptop disintegrated as if is was a rice cookie. Yes, as if the plastics expired and started to (almost) melt.
Anyway, that day I swore I would never buy Dell products again nor recommend Dell to anybody, one of the best decisions I have ever made.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really liked Dell products. They look and feel cheap no matter what they do.<br />
In 2003 My Dell laptop disintegrated as if is was a rice cookie. Yes, as if the plastics expired and started to (almost) melt.<br />
Anyway, that day I swore I would never buy Dell products again nor recommend Dell to anybody, one of the best decisions I have ever made.</p>
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